front mount or upgrade top mount

jesus lads my brain cannot cope with all this information ha ha ,there is some really good ideas there.
but i just want to get the power up to 320 to 350 and no more, the car is very quick as it is , so i just want to get that [size=10pt]wow[/size]
factor when u put the foot down,it still has to be mapped ,so just trying to get as much mods done as possible before i get it mapped
 
uprated fuel pump
uprated injectors
de-cat turbo back exhaust
hybrid the standard turbo
remap

and your laughing to about 320ish hopefully
 
fuel pump, decat, induction and a remap will see you up around 320 without changing the intercooler

@Dan - If you are getting to levels on a legacy where you need to upgrade the intercooler, then the front mount is the best option without getting into any other option. As one option compared to the other then the only one to go for is the front mount based on the fact that you simply wont get enough air to provide adequate cooling through the scoop
 
The problem with upgrading to an sti top mount is its significantly thicker so sits higher and gets no air from the scoop so you need to start modifying the bonnet scoop...and then your probably into drag issues with the larger scoop at high speeds..front mount is just so much easier..Im sure the standard one would be good for 350 bhp but
 
There you go Johnb4,
Everyone seems to be in agreement,
Fuel pump, decat exhaust, Induction (panel fiter) and Map for 320ish and if more money allows go for bigger injectors and hybrid stadard turbo as well for 350ish!
Either way, well worth it!
Best of luck man,
Dan
 
cheers everyone yous have all been a big help :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


ps ....... an somebody please please pm me when the next meet is on as i am not a full member yet so cannot access that section.as i would love togo to one
of these isdc meets............ cheers again :subaru:
 
Hi John,


The ONLY bit of sense above is from @markbucko with comments on scaring you..


The bits the lads failed to remember is the your car is the new shape single twin scroll turbo legacy gt...

This runS a small td03/04 twin scroll turbo..

Comments from an above member that 320bhp from stage 1 mods is absolutely and totally in-accurate and please dis-regard accordingly. Hitting 290-300bhp would bemore likely.

You car runs a turbo set up same as the new 08 impreza. Therefore a vf36 will not fit you car unless you use the turbo internals into your current turbo or go hybrid your own etc.

At the moment a FMIC would not be on your list of modifications before fuel pump, turbo hybrid and injectors..

Thanx

DAVE
 
Actually, I've seen quite a few cars with stage one mods up around 320 brake as along with the mods the boost is also upped... Stevo's B4 put out 315BHP on the rollers with just an upgraded panel filter afaik... When I brought BOB RAWLE over to map mine with the mods i mentioned above, he said it was putting out between 320 and 330BHP and you wouldnt dare disagree with him, would you???? Mark's (B4-RSK) B4 was also in around the same output albeit with the addition of an avcr. I think i'd bow to bobs better knowledge than yours seeing as he does it for a living and you just organise him to come over... Granted that his is the newer shape legacy but its still possible, maybe i was being a bit generous but he could easily see over 300 depending on the condition of his car and interals??

As for the intercooler question which is what was asked in the first place, you seem to have just glazed over it???
 
limiting factor on the new shape leggy is the small vf38 turbo. i'd say the most you would get with stage 1 is 300-305max. standard top mount seems good for about 350-380 going on threads from legacygt.com and subarulegacy.sg sites. There is then the Avo or Perrin larger top mounts you can get also. There is a larger scoop you can get for the BL5 supposed to take in 15% more air without the need to cut anything, i'll see can i get a link for it
 
Will that new scoop change the look of it dan? Have you got a picture? Would be great if you could get that and not change the look of the car... would be ideal really... But if you have to change the look then i wouldnt do it personally...

Fair point about the turbo.. yours is putting out 276BHP odd if I remember correctly so would a straight through exhaust along with an induction kit and cold air feed (maybe a 3 port boost solenoid as well) not see you up around 310-315?
 
[quote author=Sweetcakes link=topic=14436.msg181197#msg181197 date=1240693167]
Will that new scoop change the look of it dan? Have you got a picture? Would be great if you could get that and not change the look of the car... would be ideal really... But if you have to change the look then i wouldnt do it personally...

Fair point about the turbo.. yours is putting out 276BHP odd if I remember correctly so would a straight through exhaust along with an induction kit and cold air feed (maybe a 3 port boost solenoid as well) not see you up around 310-315?
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only picture i could find, i remeber seeing some better pictures somewhere, ill try find them. its actually advetised as having Opening space 60% up than stock one . not sure if i like the look of it though

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http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92023&highlight=cyber


I didnt think you could get 30-40hp from just exhaust and CAI kit and remap. :dontknow:
uprated the injectors and fuel pump aswell i'd say is needed, there is a tuning crowd in Singapore that offer a a LAUNCH 300 power package:
Package Includes...

- Walbro Fuel Pump
- Edge Custom "sleeved" Downpipe Job
- Edge Uprated Boost Solenoid
- tweak map.

Dont think there is a need for CAI below 350, so seems like you can leave the standard intake in place with just a better filter. one of us on here needs to get the finger out, with the new shape Legacy's and get some power mods going on! Think everyone is still running standard setups give a take the odd remap or STI exhausts. First to break 300bhp gets and air freshner!
 
Ah, I see how that works, good idea actually but wouldnt be my cup of tea looks wise... Would only possibly look at home on a highly body modded car which that would appear to be... Would look gank on a standard car imo... Would be interested to see that car as a whole with that in place and get a overall view of it...
 
Its your know[quote author=Sweetcakes link=topic=14436.msg181027#msg181027 date=1240651338]
Actually, I've seen quite a few cars with stage one mods up around 320 brake as along with the mods the boost is also upped... Stevo's B4 put out 315BHP on the rollers with just an upgraded panel filter afaik... When I brought BOB RAWLE over to map mine with the mods i mentioned above, he said it was putting out between 320 and 330BHP and you wouldnt dare disagree with him, would you???? Mark's (B4-RSK) B4 was also in around the same output albeit with the addition of an avcr. I think i'd bow to bobs better knowledge than yours seeing as he does it for a living and you just organise him to come over... Granted that his is the newer shape legacy but its still possible, maybe i was being a bit generous but he could easily see over 300 depending on the condition of his car and interals??

As for the intercooler question which is what was asked in the first place, you seem to have just glazed over it???
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Hi what have you seen??


I really have no idea how you can compere the 98-03 legacy twin turbo model with the 03-on single twin scroll td03/04 model?? As they a 2 totally totally different cars. And not something you can compere.. Although your very limited knowledge as above clearly shows this. Stevos put this power out on a boost spike from a boost control solinoid playing up as rollers read the peak figure. This is from memory and Stevo be best to comment so relaying these figures as your facts are ridiculous to say the least.

And comments regards disagreeing question? Yes put yours to the test to substansate a 330bhp claim?? A claim by yourself? PLease? :pray: :pray:

A person viewing boost, fueling, detentation can only give their rough idea on area standings. I would think personally your in or around the 305bhp mark.

And the condition of Johns car nor internals comes into play. Addding to you not really knowing what your talking about. You said should see 320bhp.. Now you say you were maybe a bit generous saying it may reach over 300bhp.. Now in my eyes that a huge difference? So which is it??

You have been about here dishing out stuff last few months and alot directed at sti tuning when in all reality you don't really have any idea what your on about besides personal research on your own car and model..

So i'd appreciate you keeping your un-factual opinions to yourself unless you would like to continue it here on someone elses thread...?

I would in general say i've kept pretty quiet with yourself and co. in last couple months but with a family and 1 1/2 year old little baby girl at home to provide for i think damaging unsubstainsiated mouthing comments from you need to be addressed... This is indeed a lot more serious then any other normal worthless debate.

kindest regards

DAVE
 
I agree with dave here can't see you car making 330 on standard turbos..I dont have any technical knowledge to back that up just my own experience I'm running same boost as you on bigger rev d turbos and Pat herborn estimated with delta dash i was running just over 300..
 
anyway lads back to the topic in hand, i think its safe to say the top mount is good for 350+ there is other mods as mentioned you can do first. uprated top mount is about 700 euro , perrin and Avo are the only two i know of that make them, not sure which of the impreza sti one might fit either as that would be another option.
 
[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
I really have no idea how you can compere the 98-03 legacy twin turbo model with the 03-on single twin scroll td03/04 model?? As they a 2 totally totally different cars. And not something you can compere..
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276BHP odd as standard, add NF, E5, fuel pump, Full decat, induction with a cold air feed, increased boost and 310BHP is surely possible... I was not directly comparing the cars simply that the mods i have, have seen that increase in power


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
Although your very limited knowledge as above clearly shows this. Stevos put this power out on a boost spike from a boost control solinoid playing up as rollers read the peak figure. This is from memory and Stevo be best to comment so relaying these figures as your facts are ridiculous to say the least.
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I didnt realise stevo's car was playing up that day but his figures had and have no effect whatsoever on my figures... I used it as an example


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
And comments regards disagreeing question? Yes put yours to the test to substansate a 330bhp claim?? A claim by yourself? PLease? :pray: :pray:
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Between 320-330BHP and its Bob Rawles claim, not mine... I simply asked him what he felt the car was putting out and that was his responce... I didnt claim it, he did... I would have been happy with 310 or so to be quite honest... If anyone ever asks me what it is putting out, I tell them that Bob Rawle reckons there or there abouts... Speaking from the couple of people that have driven it, it was a big shock to them as they were very suprised by the power and torque from it... Now, these comments are from people that are qualified mechanics who, unlike yourself, actually have a mechanical background, have served their time, have their qualifications and are more than qualified to comment. I will be putting it to the test on the rollers once the car is finished, unfortunately the clutch wore itself out and was slipping less than a week after the map so have been unable to get a dyno run completed in its current form...


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
A person viewing boost, fueling, detentation can only give their rough idea on area standings. I would think personally your in or around the 305bhp mark.
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So a person viewing boost, fueling and detonation with a wealth of experience mapping cars cant give an accurate measurement of the power from a car but yet you can somehow miraculously claim a figure of 305BHP without driving the car or knowing what has been done to it??? Thats some going :clap:


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
And the condition of Johns car nor internals comes into play. Adding to you not really knowing what your talking about. You said should see 320bhp.. Now you say you were maybe a bit generous saying it may reach over 300bhp.. Now in my eyes that a huge difference? So which is it
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Of course the state of engine internals comes into play, it would be silly to think otherwise... I would have thought that you should know that wear and tear on an engine has quite a big impact on the figures it puts out. Carbon deposits and build up over time for one and wear and tear on moving metal parts all causes an engine to decrease in performance. Thats why you see these additives for sale in halfords, etc that claim to restore engine performance. Now obviously they cant restore worn metal but carbon deposits and the likes of injector build up can be decreased over time with consistent use of these additives thus restoring some lost performance... On turbo cars, crud build up in the pipes and solenoids can have a massive effect on a cars performance... I may have been hyped up on caffeine when i was saying 320 which is why i withdrew the claim and said i was too generous with the figures but 300-310 is an achievable figure with those mods


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
You have been about here dishing out stuff last few months and alot directed at sti tuning when in all reality you don't really have any idea what your on about besides personal research on your own car and model..
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Nothing i have ever said about Sti Tuning or you has been untrue or unjustified and as it happens, all the bad dealings that people have had with you and told me about, I have never mentioned once on the site... I've called you out over a few things where you have claimed to be an "Ireland's Official Distributor" of the likes of NF Booster when you're not... And i took exception to your comments in a certain thread regarding a blown engine on a dyno because i felt that you were trying to direct the blame at a fellow trader on this site when it was unwarranted and unsubstantiated so pot, kettle, black sound familiar???


[quote author=davelegacy link=topic=14436.msg181446#msg181446 date=1240787638]
I would in general say i've kept pretty quiet with yourself and co. in last couple months but with a family and 1 1/2 year old little baby girl at home to provide for i think damaging unsubstainsiated mouthing comments from you need to be addressed... This is indeed a lot more serious then any other normal worthless debate.
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We all have families to feed Dave, you think you are entited to do and say as you please just because you have a 1 and half year old? Please point me to where I've been so unfair towards you and your company as if i have ever said anything unwarranted or damaging then i would apologise straight away. But the simple fact is that i have never been critical where it wasnt warranted and you're attempts to discredit me and my opinions with these accusations are unwarranted...
 
[quote author=Sweetcakes link=topic=14436.msg181027#msg181027 date=1240651338]
I think i'd bow to bobs better knowledge than yours seeing as he does it for a living and you just organise him to come over...
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What kind of statement is that? Are you trying to make out that Dave is not experienced?
Dave is the voice of experience on this site. along with the other traders. There word, being experienced subaru specialist, should be taken over any google mechanic,
So the fact that Dave puts the mods together with what ever car, and then brings it to map by Bob, should give him the Before and After knowledge that is required in topics like this.
regards Ian
 
The other thing as well is you where a direct customer of Bob's he's gonna tell you what you wanna hear.
 
First of all, I'm sure dave can respond for himself and doesnt need you to get involved but seeing as you did...

[quote author=Wrx ian link=topic=14436.msg181495#msg181495 date=1240827287]
What kind of statement is that? Are you trying to make out that Dave is not experienced?
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Dave is not an experienced mapper, he's not even a trained mechanic (no apprenticeship, no qualifications) so you tell me who the "google mechanic" as you so politely put it is... Its a simple fact, and i would take Bob's advice over dave's any day of the week seeing as bob has years of experience in his field... I know you are a big Dave fan and want to protect him as best you can but he can speak for himself if he wants to rebuff my comments.

[quote author=Wrx ian link=topic=14436.msg181495#msg181495 date=1240827287]
Dave is the voice of experience on this site. along with the other traders. There word, being experienced subaru specialist, should be taken over any google mechanic,
So the fact that Dave puts the mods together with what ever car, and then brings it to map by Bob, should give him the Before and After knowledge that is required in topics like this.
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Dave often helps with technical Q&A on the site which is very helpful but its also there for the rest of us google mechanics to offer our opinion and experience also... Tell me, what, in your opinion, makes him a subaru specialist? If you had any idea of half the stuff that has gone on (which i cant list for obvious reasons) then maybe you wouldnt be so defensive of him...
 
[quote author=Dagnut link=topic=14436.msg181503#msg181503 date=1240828796]
The other thing as well is you where a direct customer of Bob's he's gonna tell you what you wanna hear.
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If you knew bob, then you wouldnt make a rediculous comment like that. He is an honest and genuine person which I'm sure Dave will actually agree with. And to further rebuff your comment i never led him about it, I never once mentioned what i was expecting until after he gave me his estimate. As i previously stated i was expecting something over 300 and would have been delighted with 310... He had no reason to fill me full of crap...
 
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