significant changes regarding L drivers

in northern ireland u must only drive with a full licence holder who is over 21 & held their licence for at least 3 yrs when u r on L plates.

Wats the point of doin a test when u can drive unsupervised without doin it.
 
I garauntee you'll still get young fellas flying around country roads where the cops dont patrol and loose the car on a bend. that seems to be where most of the carnage happens anyway.
 
How many times have we all seen some little $h1t racing like a lunatic in mammy's yaris or dad's corolla - if same little bugger had to ask mam or dad to accompany them on their 'wrc' nights out, it might encourage them to apply for and sit their test.
Sorry for the apprentice lads (that Hijpo mentions) living in one town and working in the next - these lads will have to get serious about sitting their test also - they're 'LEARNER' drivers, at some stage they should want to lose the 'learner' tag and the only way to do that is take and pass the test.

It's a farce in this country that totally inexperienced drivers are allowed out unaccompanied for as long as they like with absolutely no incentive to sit their test.
If all of these unqualified drivers were removed from the roads overnight, I'd be willing to bet there would be an immediate reduction in number of accidents, fatalities & injuries within a few weeks.

Some people might regard it as 'severe' but learner drivers have it too easy for too long due to the government's lazy attitude, now it's time to get real and get serious about this 'threat' and behave responsibly like most other civilised countries.
 
'kaybee well said buddy :thumbsup:
this is all about cutting death on the roads- i think even if this saved only 1 life, its a good thing
 
This has always been the case. Maybe the fine is new but you always were meant to be accompanied by a fully licensed passenger :ponder:
 
[quote author=kanye from the west link=topic=4119.msg43011#msg43011 date=1193412902]
This has always been the case. Maybe the fine is new but you always were meant to be accompanied by a fully licensed passenger :ponder:
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I always thought this aswell, I have been driving on my provisional for years and its actually gotten to the stage where I consider my insurance to be reasonable enough without taking the test which in a way is taking the piss... It has motivated me to go out there and book it anyway which Im doing online either today or tomorrow, I agree that provisionally licenced drivers have had it way too easy in the past, I have only ever had 1 accident and that was when I knocked over a bubble gum machine outside a petrol station 3 years ago... It was either hit that or hit a BMW X 5 that was careering towards me... I had to make the best of a sticky situation!! We are always going to have dangerous drivers on the road, they are not always neccessarily speeders either, som people out there just dont have Basic car control... I dont think that this will have any impact on the reduction of road deaths, there simply is not enough driver education out there for people starting out... I think people should have to sit a comprehensive 1 day course with a test in a specialised centre before being allowed a learner permit as they are calling them now.. Showing them various videos including rehabilitation videos of people in physio hospitals recovering from car accidents and pictures of magled wrecks to put the fear of god in them... I just think that this new measure is too little and too late at this stage.... Also if they were going to implement this correctly then the waiting times for sitting the driving test should be narrowed down to a month..... It is slightly unfair to say you cannot drive unaccompanied when they do not have the means to facilitate the good provisionally licenced drivers on our countries roads....

I know Im lazy before anyone asks and my car is insured as a WRX before anyone asks and my friends think Im mad for not taking the test and one of them was a driving instructor for the RAC... :D
 
[quote author=kanye from the west link=topic=4119.msg43011#msg43011 date=1193412902]
This has always been the case. Maybe the fine is new but you always were meant to be accompanied by a fully licensed passenger :ponder:
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It was always a grey area before, the Gards used to moan at you about how unsafe it was etc etc, but within talking to me for a few minutes they always seem to asess you and tell you to go and book the test.... Basically if they wanted to bring you to court for it then they could... Now I think because the law is on their side they will be implementing it from Tuesday. I also heard on the radio that the minister involved is now telling the Gards to turn a blind eye to the new law and implement it at their discretion for an initial period which I believe undermines every provisionally licenced driver out there who does'nt sport a pair of pert jugs and blonde hair :p
 
just reading this now, ireland is an absolute joke on this subject, to my memory i think there was 7 deaths in new south wales the year before i came here, and on advertisements on the back of buses they have a picture of a wrecked car and the heading was i wish he crashed at a friends and another of a hot chick making the small dick sign and the heading speed no one thinks big of you. i have also traveled from sydney to daintree and honestly never seen one case of dangerous driving. they must be doing something right
 
id say there is a difference in the roads between here and NSW ??? I think road layouts & quantity of cars on the road are a huge factor
 
[quote author=Legy C link=topic=4119.msg47073#msg47073 date=1196169976]
id say there is a difference in the roads between here and NSW ??? I think road layouts & quantity of cars on the road are a huge factor
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yeah spot on there..the quailty of the roads doesnt compare..plus driving conditions
 
the quality of the tar leaves something to be desired in some places, much better in ireland, in some places but you could easily sit at 200km if you wish on the straights but you would be caught, plus i think driving conditions come in to it only if you are driving above the conditions allow anyway. road layout ya may have a point but quantity of cars i think you are wrong. anyways i will go back to the point that just the whole system in ireland just does not work :dunno:
 
i dont know clive whens the last time NSW saw frost? black ice? snow? apart from the blue mountains of course..dont know how you can compare the roads..I did Dublin to Tralee today main route across the country and the conditions where nothing short of terrible ..poor road surfaces..badly marked road works..p!ssing rain...you wouldn't see that driving in NSW on any main route..wouldn't even see it it in queens land where theres fcuk all people
 
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