True for ya johnny the only thing is maybe the preload being properly set will help itas i said to you last night gordo, im only rolling my arches because im running the 18s with rally tyres that are 220mm wide so ill roll the arches and do the negitive camber bolts and it should be grand, last resort for me will be raising the car but it does look like i might have to as as it sits now the suspenion was set up for 17s and the tyre is hitting the arch just sitting there.