Diagnostics help

JayDublin

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Lads/ladies,

Anyone able to assist with diagnostics for my car (Legacy BE5). Power is seriously down and my mechanic says it's needle in a haystack without any fault codes. Any help or recommendations would be great

Cheers
 
If it was me I would be going to some one who has dealt with them before. a needle in a haystack wouldn?t fill me with confidence maybe a few of the lads who have owned them might help out or fixed them before. did you get work done service etc that might of knocked off something boost hose or intake something simple it?s very hard to tell jay without giving a very detailed symptom list
 
Cheers Gary. Car drives fine and not making any strange sounds or rattles other than lack of mid range power. First turbo comes on fine but then there is a serious lag before second turbo comes on. It does eventually boost but comes on about 6000rpm. My mechanic said his diagnostic will show limited info due to the car and maybe that someone here might be able to help get diagnostics. Thanks again


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You sure that's not just VOD?
Valley Of Death as they call it.
There's a transitional phase between primary and secondary turbo in the BE B4s, generally around 4.5k rpm if I'm not mistaken...

If that's what your talking about its perfectly normal, you can buy a zerosports sequential controller to set where secondary stage comes online and set it to your driving style. Pricey nuff tho, also, if you change up a gear while coming to the end of the primary stage it sometimes can like really exaggerate the VOD
 
You sure that's not just VOD?
Valley Of Death as they call it.
There's a transitional phase between primary and secondary turbo in the BE B4s, generally around 4.5k rpm if I'm not mistaken...

If that's what your talking about its perfectly normal, you can buy a zerosports sequential controller to set where secondary stage comes online and set it to your driving style. Pricey nuff tho, also, if you change up a gear while coming to the end of the primary stage it sometimes can like really exaggerate the VOD
Ah yeah I'm well aware of the dreaded VOD but this is not that. It's a far more significant delay of boost. Cheers though[emoji106]

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it was a long time ago when i had few of those, but where there not a plugs underneat the steering wheel that you plug together, turn the key and count the flashes on the dash fast and slow for tens and hundreds. shoundbe there on internet
 
it was a long time ago when i had few of those, but where there not a plugs underneat the steering wheel that you plug together, turn the key and count the flashes on the dash fast and slow for tens and hundreds. shoundbe there on internet
Awesome man I'll try that. Thanks!

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There's also someone on UK legacy selling refurbed solenoid boxes too, nutty box or something like that.

Don't try go at those yourself man, apparently can be very dodgy lol
Just in case it's related...
 
Awesome man I'll try that. Thanks!

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Diagnostics.

To read codes, plug the two black ones together, switch ignition to on, count the flashes

The long pulses (1.3 Seconds) indicate Tens and the short pulses (0.2 Seconds) indicate ones. Pulses are separated by Short Pauses (0.2 Seconds), multiple codes are separated by a Long Pause (1.8 Seconds).

The simplest way to retrieve codes is to write the codes down in a sort of Morse Code (dots and dashes), and start a new line when you get a 1.8 Second pause (for NEW code), and then add the actual numbers up after code retrieval is completed.


--- CODE EXAMPLE, SINGLE CODE ---

 1.3 second pulse (10)
0.2 second pause
1.3 second pulse (10?.for a total of 20)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 21)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 22)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 23)
(Code 23 ? MAF Sensor)

--- CODE EXAMPLE, MULTIPLE CODE ---

1.3 second pulse (10) 
0.2 second pause
1.3 second pulse (10?.for a total of 20)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 21)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 22)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 23)
1.8 second pause (this means NEW code)

1.3 second pulse (10)
0.2 second pause
0.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 11)
0.2 second pause
.2 second pulse (1?..for a total of 12)
(Codes 23 and 12, MAF Sensor and Starter Circuit)


How to clear them!



Ensure engine is at normal operating temperature, turn engine off
Locate the two ECU connectors, located under the steering column and consist of a black plastic male and female connector, and a green male female connector
With the ignition OFF connect black to black and green to green.
Turn on ignition, do not start the engine, depress the accelerator pedal to full throttle, then return it to the half-throttle position and hold for a few seconds, and then release
Engine Check lamp turns on
Start engine and then drive for at least one minute, keeping road speed above 10mph.
ECU is now re-set.
At this point the check engine light should start to flash the all clear signal (steady 1/2 second interval flashes). If the check engine light does not flash, or indicates some other sequence, there is a fault present in the system, and should be professionally checked for necessary repairs.
Stop the car and turn off the engine.
Disconnect the black and green connectors.
Job complete

Codes;

1 Engine Speed Signal Circuit

11 Crankshaft Position Sensor

12 Starter Signal

13 Camshaft Position Sensor

14 Fuel Injector No. 1 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX)

15 Fuel Injector No. 2 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX)

16 Fuel Injector No. 3 (Legacy, Impreza, Justy, SVX)

17 Fuel Injector No. 4 (Legacy, Impreza, SVX)

18 Fuel Injector No. 5 (SVX)

19 Fuel Injector No. 6 (SVX)

21 Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor

22 Knock Sensor

23 Mass Air Flow Sensor Circuit

24 Idle Control System Malfunction

24 ISC Valve (Stick)

24 Open/Short in ISC Valve Circuit

26 Intake Air Temperature Sensor

27 ATF Temperature Sensor Circuit

28 Knock Sensor #2

29 Crankshaft Position Sensor 2

31 Throttle Position Sensor Circuit

32 A/F Sensor #1 System

32 A/F Sensor #2 System

32 Oxygen Sensor

33 Vehicle Speed Sensor

35 CPC System

36 Turbine Speed Signal

37 Rear O2 Sensor Circuit / A/F Sensor Circuit Malfunction

38 Torque Control Signal #1

38 Torque Control Signal #2

38 Torque Control Signal System

38 Torque Permission Signal

39 Traction Control System

41 Air/Fuel Adaptive Control

42 Idle Switch

43 Accelerator Pedal Switch

44 Turbocharging Pressure Control Signal

45 Pressure Sensor

46 Neutral or Parking Switch or Circuit

47 Fuel Injector

48 Lean Burn System

49 CO Resistor

51 Neutral Position Switch

52 Parking Brake Switch (Exc. Justy)

53 Antenna

53 Anti-Quick Operation Mode

53 Communication Error (Time Over)

53 EGI Control Module EEPROM

53 IMM Circuit Failure (Except Antenna Circuit)

53 IMM Control Module EEPROM

53 Key Communication Failure

53 Reference Code Incompatibility

53 Use of Unregistered Key

54 Air Intake System

55 EGR Valve Lift Sensor

56 EGR System

57 Canister Control System

58 Air Control System

61 Air Suction Control Solenoid Valve

62 Exhaust Manifold Valve Negative Pressure Control Solenoid

64 Relief Valve Control Solenoid Valve 1

64 Relief Valve Control Solenoid Valve 2

65 Differential Pressure Sensor

66 Twin Turbocharger System(H)

66 Twin Turbocharger System(S)

66 Twin Turbocharger System(T)

66 Two Stage Twin Turbocharger System

67 Exhaust Manifold Valve Positive Pressure Control Solenoid

68 Turbocharging Pressure Control Output Signal #2

71 Shift Solenoid Valve

72 Shift Solenoid #2 Circuit

73 Low Clutch Timing Solenoid Circuit

74 Brake Clutch Timing Solenoid Circuit Malfunction

75 Line Pressure Duty Solenoid Circuit

76 Brake Clutch Pressure Duty Solenoid Circuit Malfunction

77 Lock-Up Duty Solenoid Circuit

78 Tiptronic Solenoid System

79 Transfer Clutch Duty Solenoid Circuit

81 Torque Up Control Valve

85 Charger System Circuit Malfunction

86 CAN (Communication System)

87 Variable Induction Solenoid Valve Circuit Malfunction

88 Fuel Pump Circuit Malfunction

89 VVT Systems (L)

89 VVT Systems ?

91 TCS Relief Valve

92 Electrical Generation Control Signal Circuit Malfunction

93 Vehicle Speed Sensor #1 Circuit

94 Lateral G Sensor Signal Circuit Malfunctio
 
The chance of actuator arm sticking is slim to none

Turbos again unlikely if no unstrange noises etc. But worth a camera inspection etc

Most likely a sensor issue pulling ecu back
 
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