ap vrs brembo?

i have a set of brembo calipers of an 04 sti and i also have a set of ap racing four pots, does anyone know wich would be the better option for my trackcar?

if your selling the brembo i would like first dib's,

thanks gretts,

Ap's by country mile.

what are they worth

ap's for the track car

Surely the ap 4 pots can't be that much better than the brembo's ... If the ap's were 6 pots then ye of course but the 4 pots are the same size?

Brembo's and AP's in 4 pot wouldnt have much of a difference in performance surely????
as Robbie has said, If the AP's were 6 pots then definitely they would outperform the Brembo's in a big way


Brembos are decent breaks tho

well how much performance difference is there between subaru 4 pots and Brembo 4 pots???

The performance of the calliper is not just down to the number of pots....look at also Endless 4 pots and stpotech 4 pots both are upgrades from the brembos.

The design of the calliper and quality of components come into play, I'm no engineer but its a bit of a generalization to say 4 pots should perform the same, like saying "those to engines are both inline 4 2.0 litres they should have the same power"

AP are the number 1 name in braking I would take AP 4 pots before K-sport 8 pots

I didn't compare subaru 4 pots to brembo's or 4 pot ap's... The subaru 4 pots are a much smaller caliper with smaller piston pots... I do realise that there is a lot more that comes into play when considering these things but the brembo 4 pots and ap 4 pots are very similar in size which is why i said the difference could hardly be that noticable... And especially not £1500 sterling better if you already have a set of brembos... AP are considered the best by a lot of people, i don't know as i've never used one of there calipers, but all of those people use the 6 pot ap's not the 4 pot version...

He already has the AP's but... I bet they would outperform the Brembo's especially when on a track and dealing with repeated heavy use

The brembos are made for the mass market so materials would be sourced with price in mind. The ap's are made for a specialist market and quality is not compromised that is why they cost so much. You will very rarely see brembos on a race car, more likely you will see ap's for the reason that they stand up to a lot more abuse and do not suffer fade. If you are comparing for just road use there would be no difference, but for track use there is no comparison.

id go for the ap brakes over brembo just mainly by the reputation ap have for their brakes on the other hand you could just swap the pads for full carbon pads on the brembos. wouldn say there would be a huge difference in performance

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He already has the AP's but... I bet they would outperform the Brembo's especially when on a track and dealing with repeated heavy use
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Read it wrong ... Thought he was looking at getting the 4 pot ap's ... If you have the 2 sitting there to choose between, then ap definitely

If anyone was thinking about upgrading from brembo's though, i think the 6 pot AP caliper is your only man...

As already said, AP's do seem to be preferable when given the choice but I wouldn't right off the brembos so easily. The AP's are more expensive but for what reason? Brembos have a huge market and are probably able to manufacture more cheaply but does that suggest they are inferior quality or just a better managed company?

If the pots are the same diametre, I wouldn't say there is any performance difference in the 2 if using the same pads, fluid and discs.

And if you use the brembos, you'll get a lot more money selling the AP's which you can pump back into the car! ( maybe to buy new pads, discs and fluid and create the ultimate set up )

@ Scruff: check out the brembo website, Brembo supplied more than 2 third's of the cars at LeMans and plenty of F1 cars for years. They are by no means a mass market product only http://www.brembo.com/US/Motorsports/News/List/20090612.htm

I have 4 pot APs on mine got them for 1150 for the lit including pads and lines all round. Can't comment in difference with brembo though apart that they are cheaper. Brembo grand turismos would better than Subaru ones though

@ Scruff: check out the brembo website, Brembo supplied more than 2 third's of the cars at LeMans and plenty of F1 cars for years. They are by no means a mass market product only thumb http://www.brembo.com/US/Motorsports/News/List/20090612.htm

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Hi Cill, I meant to say the road going version of the Brembos versus AP's. I was replying on my iphone earlier and its a pian in the hole trying to type a coherent message. I did realise that Brembo have a great sporting heritage but you would rarely see a set of gold Brembos on a race car, not even group N scoobys use them as far as I can remember.

I do wonder is there a technical difference!
Unless it's a balls out race car, I imagen either caliper with good pars, discs and fluid would be fantastic!
But if as Scruff says, the material of the construction is of a lesser quality (but still very very good) on the brembos then they may flex when ultra hot!
Dan

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...more likely you will see ap's for the reason that they stand up to a lot more abuse and do not suffer fade. If you are comparing for just road use there would be no difference, but for track use there is no comparison.
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Have you used both calipers scruff?

Fade has very little if nothing to do with the caliper, Its all down to heat transfer from the disc into the pad and then into the fluid. Fade is related to pads and fluid boiling point.

I would class AP 4 pots as equal to brembo 4 pots as the caliper, pad, piston size are the same, so the same force would be applied to the pad. So it comes down to the composition of the pad at that stage.

Don't Brembo make the Porsche calipers?

Whats all the talk of lower quality just because they're cheaper? Has anyone price Brembos new from Subaru or from Brembo in Italy? If you are making more of something then the parts used to make that item are bought in bulk, there for the parts can be gotten cheaper or made for less as the raw materials cost less in bulk. I think AP's cost more for the above reason and nothing else

Just been pricing a set of 328mm Brembo GT's with pads and discs....
Nearly 4000 us dollars.........

If Dan was able to buy a set of 4 pot ap's for 1100 quid then i dont think you would be right to class brembos as "cheap and mass produced"

I am sticking to my opinion that brembo 4 pots and the AP 4 pots would be in the same class as eachother and only differences would be pads and discs........

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Just been pricing a set of 328mm Brembo GT's with pads and discs....
Nearly 4000 us dollars.........

If Dan was able to buy a set of 4 pot ap's for 1100 quid then i dont think you would be right to class brembos as "cheap and mass produced"

I am sticking to my opinion that brembo 4 pots and the AP 4 pots would be in the same class as eachother and only differences would be pads and discs........


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There are different grades of calipers throughout the Brembo range and AP range so its difficult to know what to compare what to. Mine cost 1150 sterling, not much more really. I went for them because used Brembos were going for 600-700 sterling plus i would want new discs and pads and it made more financial sense to get the new AP's.

I think the Brembo GT's are comparable to the 6 pot AP's.

There is premium priced brands out there like Endless, Project Mu, Zerosports but are they better? or just overpriced like the rest of their products. So to put a dog to bed i think the AP's i have compared to brand new STI Brembo's would be very similar. Both solid buid quality and durability and servicing kits and replacement parts easily available.