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mac mac
21-12-2009, 10:15
is one better than the other , or are there any other( better) options ??

cheers

B4 soon
21-12-2009, 10:20
Toyos are probably better value

Altezza-Dan
21-12-2009, 11:00
F1's last longer and better grip out of them i think

varuka
21-12-2009, 12:48
i got f1s in the front and t1rs on the back and they work a treat in this weather.

hiwd
21-12-2009, 12:51
I've drove scoobymaniac's car with F1's and they are unreal, I'd highly recommend them if you can afford em. There on my shopping list :icon_grin:

scoobymick
21-12-2009, 13:56
Running T1-R's at the moment and cant fault them :thumbsup:

Grahamo spec c
21-12-2009, 13:58
get the F1 asym's. far better tyre,savage in any weather. :thumbsup:

DUFFMAN
21-12-2009, 14:03
i have t1r on the road wheels and they are great, just as good as the f1s that on the track wheels i have.

i go for the t1r just for price!

FRAWLS
21-12-2009, 15:21
The Goodyear Eagle F1's would probably better in the wet but other than that I doubt anyone short of a racing driver would be able to tell the difference between them. I put 4 new Mitcheline Pilot Sport SP2 on my car last month and while they are undoubtably the best tyre I've ever put on any car I've ever owned, they were a crazy price at 260 a corner :icon_rolleyes: The turn in is definitely sharper and they're quieter but in all honesty I couldn't say for sure, apart from these two improvements whether they're much better than any of the Bridgestone Potenzas S-03, RE 050, Re 050 Asymetric or Goodyear Eagle F1 I've had before.

AFAIK No car manufacturers fit Toyo TIR as OEM tyres, probably because the thread compound is very noisy but that's not an issue with an Scoobys with a decent exhaust system. Like the T1R, the Goodyear Eagle F1 is also soft compound so expect similar levels of tyre wear. I f you want a great tyre that is brilliant in the dry and wet and lasts a long time then I'd recommend the Bridgestone Potenza Re 050A ( Assymetric). They are a little noisey but are a similar price as the T1R, will far outlast them and (to my mind anyway) are a nicer looking tyre!

If you just want the best tyre out there then the Mitcheline PS2 seems to be winning all the most recent tyre awards but I just dont think they justify the price of them.

Frawls

mac mac
21-12-2009, 17:26
cheers lads :thumbsup:, and frawls :clap: for the effort of reply .


think im goin for a set of toyo,s

chriSTi
21-12-2009, 17:58
ye but "eagle F1s" has a better ring to it.... :icon_grin: :icon_grin: I think they are the business especialy in the wet

johnk555
21-12-2009, 18:28
f1 eagles for me :thumbsup:

gerry
21-12-2009, 19:01
Running T1-R's at the moment and cant fault them :thumbsup:


as above.. I've just ordered a new set of T1R's .. I have 28k miles done on my current T1R's and still plenty left.. but then again I drive like an old granny anyway

scoobysub
21-12-2009, 19:08
bridgestone potenza 050a are the best tyre iv ever had on any car to be honest .saying that i just put a set of michelin pilots alpins on the van, 220 a corner but the grip on wet roads it unreal.

diesel tom
21-12-2009, 19:20
i had the goodyear eagle f1s on my car an they are savage id say the toyos would be good to lad
use notting else on the trucks great tyres

Bubba
21-12-2009, 20:37
HAd F1's before and didn't last me pissing time the toyos i had lasted longer and were no worse gripwise. They're my tyre of choic from now on. camskill do them cheap.

varuka
22-12-2009, 08:10
ye f1s are an excellent tyre but dont last at all.

FRAWLS
22-12-2009, 15:37
cheers lads :thumbsup:, and frawls :clap: for the effort of reply .


think im goin for a set of toyo,s


You're very welcome. I wrote an article on tyres for Drive magazine a good few years ago and had to do a lot of research on tyre compounds, thread block design and thread patterns. The science behind making tyres is mind bogling and very expensive which is why I admire a manufacturer like Toyo so much which has a tiny budget in comparisson to the established marques like Bridgestone, Mitcheline, Pirelli, Continental and Dunlop.

The general rule is the softer the compound the better the grip but the higher the tyre wear. Harder tyres have less grip but last longer but maintain their grip for longer when you get some heat into them. For general road use a tyre which is somewhere in between is the best compromise and the RE050A is the only one which has all the credentials you're looking for plus has far lower wear rates.

Frawls

scoobienoobie
22-12-2009, 17:05
Any one ever try these?
Potenza Re070, i know i've seen them on scoobs before, i think they look the muts!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_potenza_re70_1000.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPic.jsp%3FtireMake%3DBridgestone%26tireModel%3D Potenza%2BRE070%26sidewall%3DBlackwall&usg=__v4615 CbCFwxEp6z9qPHxeC2QFho=&h=1240&w=1000&sz=131&hl=en &start=3&um=1&tbnid=0QxhK8DQe-UKEM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBridgestone%2BPotenzas%26hl%3Den%26sa %3DN%26um%3D1

nic spec c
22-12-2009, 18:37
Had the Re070 on for the trackday and they were brill on a dry track :dance:
don't know what they would be like on a wet track :dontknow: but would probably be ok when warmed up a little.

I have the T1r's for the road and find them very good the Re070 are a fooker for tram-lining and the T1r's sorted that :thumbsup:

gerry
22-12-2009, 18:54
Any one ever try these?
Potenza Re070, i know i've seen them on scoobs before, i think they look the muts!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_potenza_re70_1000.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/BigPic.jsp%3FtireMake%3DBridgestone%26tireModel%3D Potenza%2BRE070%26sidewall%3DBlackwall&usg=__v4615 CbCFwxEp6z9qPHxeC2QFho=&h=1240&w=1000&sz=131&hl=en &start=3&um=1&tbnid=0QxhK8DQe-UKEM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBridgestone%2BPotenzas%26hl%3Den%26sa %3DN%26um%3D1



Have you your car long they would have come as standard on it

scoobienoobie
23-12-2009, 08:11
Any one ever try these?
Potenza Re070, i know i've seen them on scoobs before, i think they look the muts!





Have you your car long they would have come as standard on it


No i only bought it earlier this year with 20,000 miles on it and it had just had new (pretty cheap) tires fitted on it then. It may havve still been on the ori's.....but i doubt it!

Grahamo spec c
24-12-2009, 23:03
[quote author=scoobienoobie link=topic=19998.msg243997#msg243997 date=1261501532]
Any one ever try these?
Potenza Re070, i know i've seen them on scoobs before, i think they look the muts!

yeah,im on my 3rd set! car came in with them on from japan. jap only fitment is 235 and the european fitment is 225.makes no difference.

best tyre ive used wet or dry.no bullsh1t,ive tried most modern tyres out there that everybody uses and raves about.(dont bother with R888's and the like)
just to clear a point for everybody.........when people here talk about the eagle F1's,are ye talking about the old gsd3 type or the asymetric new ones???

find it hard to believe the comments,saying the toyo tyre are better than the asymetric F1"s?????
back on point,the RE070 potenza is a fantastic tyre,generally it scares most people because it has a cut slick outside pattern.the truth is if you give the tyre a bit of heat and dont go mad from cold its better than any eagle/toyo tyre out there!!

ive used mine on wet/dry trackdays on the inter in mondello.on dry days the tyre over heats after a good few hot laps but ive found in the rain it is amazing,especially compared to the R888s.
in my opinion they are great and ill be ordering a new set in january for the car.if i wasnt id order the eagle F1's.much better tyre than the toyo type.

Scoobymaniac
25-12-2009, 01:47
F1's all the way :icon_headbang:

FRAWLS
08-01-2010, 15:51
[quote author=scoobienoobie link=topic=19998.msg243997#msg243997 date=1261501532]
Any one ever try these?

yeah,im on my 3rd set! car came in with them on from japan. jap only fitment is 235 and the european fitment is 225.makes no difference.
Potenza Re070, i know i've seen them on scoobs before, i think they look the muts!


best tyre ive used wet or dry.




Grahamo, The RE 070 is a semi cup tyre. If you find that its the best tyre you've used in the wet then you must never have tried Eagle F1 (symmetric). There's nothing else to touch their wet weather grip at the price. The Re 070 is all but useless in the wet.

If you want the best semi cup tyre out there then the Dunlop Direzza is the one which is winning all the semi cup tyre comparisson tests

Frawls

Grahamo spec c
10-01-2010, 23:29
im on my 3rd set of asym F1's :thumbsup: i tend to go through tyres quickly :icon_biggrin:
ive used the RE070 on track in wet and dry and the F1's.
once the RE070 get a bit of heat they make bits of the F1's in the rain road or track.
wouldnt touch a dunlop if my life depended on it.

FRAWLS
11-01-2010, 17:44
once the RE070 get a bit of heat they make bits of the F1's in the rain road or track.
wouldnt touch a dunlop if my life depended on it.


Heat has very little to do with wet weather grip. It's all about thread pattern and thread depth when it comes to wet weather performance. Semi Cup tyres perform badly in wet conditions due to the fact that they cannot dissapate water efficiently due to the design and limited amount of thread blocks and groves in the tyre. An assymetric tyre such as the F1 GSD3 will literally run rings around any semi cup tyre in wet conditions. It's all down to the simple laws of physics. A semi cup tyre has very poor resistance to aqualplaining both in a straight line and laterally.

The Dunlop Direzza is the tyre of choice for serious track day performance cars in the UK and was voted by EVO as their favourite track day tyre but I know how you feel about Dunlops in general as they wouldn't be high on my preference list either. Having said that, they have improved massively recently and their Sport Max TT is supposed to be a great tyre going on the numerous tyre reviews I have read about it.

Grahamo spec c
11-01-2010, 21:31
i dont know :dontknow:
i just find the RE070 much better in the rain.must be used to it i reckon.
must check out the dunlop so and see whats being said about them,still dont ever think id buy them.
im more a bridgestone/goodyear tyre user.

FRAWLS
12-01-2010, 17:47
See the link below where the Dunlop Direzza won the 2009 semi slick tyre. The Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric won the road tyre

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Australian-MOTOR-magazine-tyre-test.htm

Frawls

Keadeen
28-05-2013, 09:43
Just a note... saw in this old thread that no car manufacturer puts T1-R's on their vehicles... not true... All Donkervoorts are delivered on Toyo T1-R / T1 Sport or R888's depending on the model.
http://www.donkervoort.com/en/donkervoort-cars/ Cool cars! Visited their factory last October - all family run business, great product with lots of development, but bloody expensive though.

Ciaran WRX
28-05-2013, 15:33
:thumbsup: for the F1s got mine from camskill 240 euro for 2 delevered great value super tire

kerry sti
28-05-2013, 22:14
the r888s or yokohama ad08s are they road legal here, will they pass the nct.

AndyC
28-05-2013, 22:52
The 888s are road legal AFAIK. Not ideal for an everyday tyre though. No good in the wet or winter conditions. Soft compound so would wear quickly.

chris139ryan
30-05-2013, 15:33
f1's hands down had them on the before the t1r's went on the impreza. Different league altogether you cant compare the two tyres. Ones budget performance (t1rs) one is top end performers (f1s). Only down side is the f1s will wear a lot quicker but my god the grip level is something else both in wet and dry conditions